ePMP Elevate


Eric Ozrelic wrote:

That's a really interesting idea... give the ePMP AP the ability to have a second default SSID and WPA key, just for conversion purposes.
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Then you could make a template on cnMaestro and update the SM's to the desired SSID / Key.

Now if only cnMaestro had the capabilities of AirControl 2. Moving a network from UBNT using Elevate can be daunting consideration without a fully capable monitoring system.

AC2 has a distinct network advantage for monitoring compared to cnMaestro.

Main aspect been throughput, signal and rates history for the devices for as long as they have been added to AC2. This comes in to play when diagnosing faults.

However cnMaestro definately has the advantage with the method of onboarding it uses. Also the dashboad is great with the notifications.

Overall I believe cnMaestro is coming along nicely and once they get the monitoring tools right it will be great.

I also had a video conference a few weeks back with the cnMaestro engineers with a live AC2 demonstration so hopefully this has helped them with future developments and idea's they can bring to the table.

Either way look forward to trying out Elevate and seeing how it goes, will keep you updated once we have it running on a AP in the field.

Is it possible to connect more than 10 Elevate SM to a single AP?
I’m asking because I read license only up to 10 users for each AP.


@giuseppe4 wrote:
Is it possible to connect more than 10 Elevate SM to a single AP?
I'm asking because I read license only up to 10 users for each AP.

Yes... Cambium sells Elevate licenses in single and 10 unit packs.

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You can use up to 120 Elevate units per ePMP AP.
12 Elevate licenses with 10 units capacity each one can be applied for ePMP AP.

Thank you.

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Good idea 1 major issue cambium over looked is the need for dual SSID on the upgrade path for a smooth upgrade remote it would need to allow you to out the UBNT AP in wifi mode then upgrade the SM with it connecting to the old UBNT AP then after all SM’s are upgraded should then allow you to swap the rocket for a epmp AP on the tower and all the SM’s should then automatically connect to the 2nd SSID that is the default cambium

The way cambium wants us to do it now is renting extra tower space for a 2nd AP and Antenna then after upgrade remove old AP from tower that’s a lot of extra work that can be avoided by spending a bit more time on the software…

Can’t work that way Tim. You can’t mix TDD mode with wifi even if dual SSID was available. You don’t need to rent more tower space. I’ve converted literally hundreds of APs.

Schedule your tower climb, as the climbers get started, push firmware to cpes, after ap is swapped cpes are back. We’ve done as many as 100 cpes (flipping from wifi mode to TDD in the cpes) in about 10 minutes. Let your customers know ahead if time when you go to make the changes, do them in succession and you’re done. The customer impacting outtage shouldn’t last more than a few minutes if it’s properly coordinated.


@richinuk wrote:

@accelwireless wrote:

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I for one dont use the "default" cambium wpa password and I think  no one else does as that would be stupid as then anyone with an EPMP client like a competitor would be able to connect to your network and cause havoc?

So either way I need to do a truck roll to the customer to at least log into the UBNT hardware flashed with Elevate to input the correct security key for my AP.

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I suspect the roll-out plan for elevate would be done on a per-sector/site basis.  In which case you have a temp "provisioning" AP that you move around from site to site as you do each sector.

Would be nice if v3.3 could include a second "provisioning" SSID on the AP for this purpose.

Rich


There's not really any need to have a second SSID, ePMP SMs already have the option of connecting to an "open" or "WPA2" AP, all we need is for the "Open" option to be checked by default. Then you could just check open (in addtiontion to WPA2 and/or Radius) on all the SMs that are currently on the AP and set the AP to open until you get all the elevated SMs reconfigured (at which point it would just be a matter of switching WPA2 back on on the AP). But this is really only an issue if you're adding Elevated SMs to an AP that already has other SMs connected to it - if it's a complete conversion with a new AP, you would simply set it up with the default WPA2 key and change it after all the SMs have been reconfigured. There would be a bit more down time that way, especially if there are a lot of SMs on the AP, but it is do-able.

Currently, it can certainly still be done without truck rolls (assuming the ePMP already has SMs with a non-default key), it's just going to involve some down time for the current ePMP SMs (just change the key, and change it back when you're done).


@giuseppe4 wrote:
Is it possible to connect more than 10 Elevate SM to a single AP?
I'm asking because I read license only up to 10 users for each AP.

A couple other have already answered, but just for clarity for everyone else reading...

The Elevate CPE license adds are cumulative - so if for example you need 13 Elevate CPE licenses on some sector, you could buy a 10 pack and then 3 individual 1 packs if you want ($315 + $35 + $35 + $35 = $420 = 13 CPE's)

The one thing I'm not really clear on with the 10 packs is, if I have, say, an AP with 13 SMs and another AP with 7 SMs, can I buy two 10 packs and generate a license for 13 and another for 7, or would I have to buy a 10 pack plus 10 individules?

They will be tied to the MAC address of the AP, so I would expect you can't break a 10 pack among AP's.  That would be a benefit of the individual per CPE licence model.  BUT - the 10 pack pricing is basically just a ''buy 9, get 1 free'' if you do the math at $315 vs $35 x 10.  So, a 10 pack is a $35 saving at the most.

SO, if you buy 10 + individuals, that'll would mean that 19 cost the same as 2 x 10 packs, and that 17 saves you $70 vs buying two 10 packs.  It's not a lot of difference either way really, and probably not a deal breaker on the potential savings or loss either way.  :)

Hi Mathew,

Each pack is tied to AP mac address and you can't split it. So you have to buy a 10 pack plus 10 individules in your case.

Thanks,

Dmitry

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@Dmitry Moiseev wrote:

Hi Mathew,

Each pack is tied to AP mac address and you can't split it. So you have to buy a 10 pack plus 10 individules in your case.

Thanks,

Dmitry


Is it easy to move packs from one AP to another (In the event of a failure, for example, or just as part of the network transition)?


@uberdome wrote:

@Dmitry Moiseev wrote:

Hi Mathew,

Each pack is tied to AP mac address and you can't split it. So you have to buy a 10 pack plus 10 individules in your case.

Thanks,

Dmitry


Is it easy to move packs from one AP to another (In the event of a failure, for example, or just as part of the network transition)?


This will have to be done through request to Cambium Support, which is pretty easy.

Hi.  Is Firmware 3.2 generally available now, or is it currently just for those elevating themselves to a higher plane of existence?


@ninedd wrote:

Hi.  Is Firmware 3.2 generally available now, or is it currently just for those elevating themselves to a higher plane of existence?


3.2 is available now as a stable release and is availabe in the support/downloads area. You can install 3.2, even if you're not using elevate.

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That was partly my passive-agressive way of asking...

Hey Cambium, why is there no "ePMP Release 3.2 is now available" thread in the main ePMP 2000 / 1000 forum?  ;)

Fixed that. Sorry ninedd. :(

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-2000-and-1000/ePMP-Release-3-2-is-now-available/m-p/63114#U63114

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Whew...  OK, ok thanks.   ;)