Yeah, I'm still rolling out epmp because it's an easy financial equation, I still don't really know about the drawbacks and/or nickel-and-dime aspects of the 450's, sounds like you pay for every little thing, so it's hard to really know what you'll pay for an average customer. Usually that means someone somewhere is figuring out how to extract more money from you. I don't mind paying for value, but stuff like that is annoying. It sounds like the distributors have a lot of wiggle room, so it'll be interesting to find out from them what my real cost is. Still, it makes it hard to estimate what you'll pay for a full deployment of 450.