ap-sm versus bh

hi. would like to know the advantages of back haul over the ap-sm in terms of rf signalling. i had an experience where i set up an 5.7 ap-sm link but it did not work. it was just up to registering only. i changed every configuration but still it didnt work but when i set up a pair of back haul in that same locations, it worked. can anybody explain to me what are the possible reasons for this.
your response will be much appreciated.
thanks :smiley:

What was the link distance? Did you use reflectors? Were the AP-SM and BHs using the same frequency band? Does AP Eval data on the SM show other APs that you might have been attempting to register to?

AFAIK, a BH and AP-SM combo are the same in terms of RF signalling. Where an AP-SM combo will work, a BH combo will work and vice versa.

besides the distance, the BH is just 2ms on latency, while AP - SM can be 22-44 depending on signal quality.

we run a 5.7 omni to connect our towers together - there are no backhauls here.


Uplink dish:

Reply from 192.168.1.198: bytes=32 time=66ms TTL=254
Reply from 192.168.1.198: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=254
Reply from 192.168.1.198: bytes=32 time=66ms TTL=254
Reply from 192.168.1.198: bytes=32 time=75ms TTL=254

Actual omni - 5.36 miles away

Reply from 192.168.1.197: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=254
Reply from 192.168.1.197: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=254
Reply from 192.168.1.197: bytes=32 time=71ms TTL=254
Reply from 192.168.1.197: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=254

That’s 4-6 ms difference…not bad for a non-backhaul. :slight_smile:

Oh, i pinged across our vpn too - i’m pretty sure if you were on the network it’d be a lot less.

put hundreds of customers over that link, you’ll see.

AP’s have a downlink maximum limitation to one SM of 1800 pps
(packets per second)

Backhauls, however, have a maxmimum of 3000.

our sites are all connected via backhauls, but another ISP that purchases bandwidth from us used to be connected via 5.7SM - until their customers needed more packets per second. we found that out pretty quickly that the limitation is actually that - a limitation.

switched to their own dedicated backhaul on one of our sites, and away it went! check the release 7 and 8 user’s manuals, they spell that out pretty well.

i thought the SM was 300pps? Is there a difference between hardware and software scheduling? Also on firmware 8+ vs 7-?

We have some remote sites that are running by SM’s as the backhauls. This connection usually works for up to ~30-50 customers if you are only offering 256-384k speeds. Bittorrents can really take up pps. we had one customer on a repeater site (fed by an SM) and he caused the latency to go up to near 500ms. on a backhauled site this will not happen (or at least with just one customer doing it)

vince wrote:
i thought the SM was 300pps? Is there a difference between hardware and software scheduling? Also on firmware 8+ vs 7-?


i was stating the SM's *downlink* limitation, not uplink. 300pps is the uplink limitation from SM to AP.