What do you believe the future is going to hold for Canopy 900MHz/5.x and bandwidth requirements/consumption for customers?
I can’t stop laughing at the speedtest freaks on dslreports drooling over when they will be getting their 16/2 or 30/5 connections.
How do you guys compete, if even, with that type of nonsense in your areas?
75/mo for 16/2 doesn’t sound too bad when it’s 30-40/more than what most of us here charge for a small fraction of that speed for PTMP.
Now I’m assuming that there are quite a few Moto operators in major cities playing bandwidth/service/price wars with the big guys (which is a losing battle IMHO anyway)…
But in all honesty, where do you think things will go from here; whether it’s bundled services with or without contracts or bandwidth requirements by companies who put out devices like packet8’s video phone, etc, etc.
Do the rumors of 8mbps 900mhz disappear further and further as time goes by?
Luckily I’m in podunk Ohio, where in my area, the largest competition is 40/mo 768 DSL or 40/mo 3mbit cable…that I can deal with, for now anyway…
The assumption a year ago was that it would be about 3 years before the Telcos rolled out WiMAX and killed the small WISP in suburban and Urban markets. From what I can see that is still a realistic target. Rural markets will probably have about 2-3 years past that before they need to worry (just a guess) maybe longer. Telcos are not fast or nimble but it will eventually happen.
Content pushes delivery. As video and voice traffic increases, pipe sizes will increase. The other side of the equation is for better compression algorithms and more efficient use of existing capacity. FTTH is still a long way away in most markets so these 20M+ services will be limited to a pretty small segement at least for the near term.
The advantage Telcos have is deeeeep pockets and licensed RF spectrum. They will be able to use much higher power transmitters in nice quiet spectrum. I don’t know how to compete with that using unlicensed low power gear.
We are basing nearly everything we do on capturing business customers to get into position to be bought. We expect that to happen within the next 2 years.
Jerry Richardson wrote: We are basing nearly everything we do on capturing business customers to get into position to be bought. We expect that to happen within the next 2 years.
We were bought by large telecom a year ago. Since then we bought MPLS routers for the radio network, we are building fiber optic network and soon we will start with ADSL2+ which will offer speeds up to 24 mbps. The goal is triple or quadruple play next year, and fiber to the home later.
The Canopy network will stay mainly for rural areas and customers which don't have PSTN.
I think there is still future in Canopy, since few people really need 10+ megs. With 5.4 and 12 APs on one POP we have 50-60 mbps for access and with 12 POPs we serve 10000 SMs only in the capitol.
But there is no doubt that if you don't sell you will go down eventialy. The pressure is coming from wimax, umts, cable companys, big telcos...
Damn, what a dark future of private owned WISP…
But dont forget, rightnow we can use Canopy gears providing 10mbps throughput, maybe next year there will be 20mbps PtMP from Motorola? Who knows?
The technology is changing too fast…
I guess Advantage Platforms are on 20mbps already.
Am i right Sir Jerry?
We are located in a major city and we are taking the big boy customer all the time, last time i talk to trango they were talking about 30mbs to a single user. so i know Canopy has something cooking. And we have better prices than the big boys. we got our first pipe for 4500 for 100mb and our second pipe for 2000 100mb so pricing isnt the problem, all u need is a plan and good marketing skills.
Sir Jerry?
Advantage can deliver 14M aggregate so you could potentially deliver 11M down @ 80%. However your user count is limited to the capacity of the AP.
Oh well, I referred you that case since I know you can right or wrong it. =)
PWH wrote: We are located in a major city and we are taking the big boy customer all the time, last time i talk to trango they were talking about 30mbs to a single user. so i know Canopy has something cooking. And we have better prices than the big boys. we got our first pipe for 4500 for 100mb and our second pipe for 2000 100mb so pricing isnt the problem, all u need is a plan and good marketing skills.
Howcome your price is lower than the big boys? supposed big boys bandwidth is around Gbps? not Mbps anymore?
And I personally dont agree privately owned WISP must be sold to big boys. in Australia, the no.1 adsl2+ annex m provider is owned privately by Simon Hacket (www.internode.net.au)
And you can see their bandwidth is shocking for 3rd world country:
http://www.internode.on.net/about/network/ip/
mnet wrote: [quote="PWH":3jbj3ypg]We are located in a major city and we are taking the big boy customer all the time, last time i talk to trango they were talking about 30mbs to a single user. so i know Canopy has something cooking. And we have better prices than the big boys. we got our first pipe for 4500 for 100mb and our second pipe for 2000 100mb so pricing isnt the problem, all u need is a plan and good marketing skills.
Howcome your price is lower than the big boys? supposed big boys bandwidth is around Gbps? not Mbps anymore?
And I personally dont agree privately owned WISP must be sold to big boys. in Australia, the no.1 adsl2+ annex m provider is owned privately by Simon Hacket (www.internode.net.au)
And you can see their bandwidth is shocking for 3rd world country:
http://www.internode.on.net/about/network/ip/[/quote:3jbj3ypg]
Well we are looking to move to a Gbps soon, we sell business and residential service, we look at it like this bandwidth is like food. Anyone can sell it, there will always be a bigboy, but u never know when ur the big boy and there little kids on the block, everyone started by crawling so just play hard. :wink:
Also there must be balance the FCC will make sure that we can compete, no one wants just the big boys with all the power, just pay attention it seem like everytime u look they are givin us some type of spectrum. They take long as hell but they do. The 3.65 band will help us against the big boys also. There are equipment now that can give a single user 28Mbps using that band so my suggestion is continue working hard to put yourself in a good position to be able t afford the new equipment.
FCC? Balance? you may mean, balanced towards the big-boys advantage. Not long ago we tried to contact the FCC to complain about interference on a 700 mhz license that we hold. Off course, the interference was coming from one of those big boyes. The phone we called first was busy all the time. Then we got another number, which was the department in charge of dealing with interference complains. They told us there was a form to fill out but that they had to look for it because they did not have one handy. 2 days later we got a fax with a form that looked like it was the 1000th copy of the original, in some parts, unreadable. Completely unprofessional.
Going to the bandwidth thing, I believe that along with changes on the technology, there is things you can do to compete. OFf course, having the financial back-up is crucial. We are part of a telco and we are working on increasing our infrastructure right now. We are installing towers every six miles to reduce the load on the APs and be able to compete with cable company bandwidth-wise. Licensed, unlicended? Given the above about the FCC, we are experiencing better reliability with unlicensed spectrum. Set-up 4 cyclone aps with 90 degree beamwidth so you only need 2 clean frequencies to operate, then set-up a 5.7, 5.2-5.4 and 900 ring and you are all set.
As far as the big-boys goes, I think the whole FCC role is to administer this whole thing in their favor. License or unlicensed does not make a huge difference as far as development goes. You can always develop an entire wireless system on unlicensed, let the small WISP work out the bugs (and eat the cost of research by just listening to “some” of their feedback). Being unlicensed allows the manufacturer to have many, many test beds (in fact, one per WISP that tries the product). If the system can deliver 20 Mbps using 4-FSK, it sure will do much much better on licensed spectrum where you can use faster modulation and mantain the reliability given the low interference expected. Once that is done, you release a product that makes bussines sense to the big-boys and you proudly announce that it was developed with the knowledge gained from your “other” product line.
Bottom line, agreeing with what everybody else is saying, if you don’t want to fall victim of this, you got to play it hard.
A piece of my WISP-tech-stressed out mind :lol: