Starlink Effect

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I am curious to see the Starlink effect on small WISPs and Geo-Sat Companies once they start servicing the northern states and Canada predicting next summer. I can see some pros to this as they can sell bandwidth to more remote areas for tower deployments for wisps and cell phone companies but I can also see this as a con if they provide internet service directly to the consumer and it actually works well as Elon says it's going to.  Low latency high bandwidth etc.. I know pricing and packages will be the consumer's ultimate decision. But consumers who currently only have access to Geo-Sat Tech will switch instantly I know I would.

curious to see other WISPs thoughts on this.

i dont think they will be ready next summer ... 6 of starlinks sat have already failed ...

also i think installations cost will make a lot of ppl fear this ...

and A LOT of people are afraid of new technologies and will refer to something similar (goe sat) since its sat tech and some might not be able to differ both service's advantages so yes it will take a lot of market but not a all in a year for sure ...

also if its worlwide ... how will they manage thousands of installs in remote area ? they could take 3rd party company but that will play on installation cost ...

but only time will tell us

There is substantial opposition to starlink from the astronomy community. Not only thousands of professional astronomers, astrophysicists, and planetary scientists… but also from the amateur and casual astronomers, right down to the backyard skygazer who’s simply enjoys looking up.

There is a movement to stop starlink, although Elon Musk is a billionaire who doesn’t really care what people think… but the #StopStarlink folks are trying to get legal challenges or injunctions to try to stop the wanton pollution of the night sky. They may be the allies of the WISPs in this

It takes a lot of energy to move a happy customer from one network to another. Starlink's service will have to either be really really cheap, or super fast... and quite possibly a combination of the two... to get people to jump ship. On top of that, the installation is going to be more like a WISP install then a satelite installation. I think that there's a chance that the WISP industry could make money if Starlink allows us to resell or at least perform the physical installation of the service to clients. I'd rather sell Starlink service to someone I can't cover and make a little bit of $$ then sully my reputation by selling a traditional satellite internet service like Hughs/Viasat/Wildblue/etc. That's another thing... satellite internet has a bad repuation and it's going to take a lot of PR and marketing $$ to get the ball rolling on this.

I think we could potentially make lemonade from this lemon of a situation.

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I am sure Elon doesnt realize that this will never work as well as he thinks it will. But then again, throw enough money at a problem and it will get fixed eventually.

There is an inherant issue with satellite systems and unless someone knows how to bend the laws of physics to escape the speed of propgation for radio signals, the delay even on LEO and Fast-LEO is still orders of magnatude larger than a decently run WISP network. You can offer 5 and 10Gbps links all you want, but if the delay is 250ms or more each way then its better to look at your WISP.

I made Vonage work over Xplornet's old Ku system, but it wasnt pretty or good. People wont tollerate that anymore. Just look at LEO companies like Iridium (defunct) and Globalstar(still doing sat phones and now doing two way GPS locator and remote T1 service).

I am not overly worried about StarLink yet and when asked about it I answer honestly with the comparable information. "We can not access it here yet, but you can access our network now. The current advertised speeds in a coverage zone is XX (we look this up with the client so that it is up to date and acurate) for $YY per month. We can offer you speeds up to AA for $CC per month, with no data cap. We own the hardware so you do not have to worry if it fails (we get lots of ESD in our area) and we are local so you dont have to wait for a tech to come from ZZZ." We try our best not to offer opinions as the facts speak for themselves: it takes time for data to travel and though a satellite can cover a very large area or traverse long distances easier, there is a reason why terrestrial wireless and fiber optics are being installed. Without including network delays, it takes 125ms just to get to Anik F1 if your on the equator directly below it, then make the trip to the earth station. Now return! Flawless hand-off on mobile systems is still a troubling thing, getting better but when is the last time you roamed between cell towers and didnt have a glitch! not do that every 30 seconds as old satellites fly past the horizon and new ones come up.

I personally think this is a fad thing that will leave hundreds of satellites to fail and fall, at least it will be pretty when it happens :) And this is My opinion.

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